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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Oct 10, 2008 5:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: radical connection of current candidate...

Just to get back to the issue of whether Palin is actually qualified to be VP (wait...i have to stop laughing first)...my favorite part of the VP "debate" was when she railed "Government, you're the problem" only minutes after promising more regulation of Wall Street...

...and how she slammed Biden for saying paying taxes was patriotic....never mentioning that those taxes pay for her son's body armor to protect him in Iraq.

I suppose she'd rather have the Government print more money to pay for that or borrow it from the Chinese. Way more patriotic.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 10, 2008 6:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: radical connection of current candidate...

It was paying more taxes, not just taxes. Please this is not msnbc dot con. Remember the people dumping tea in boston harbor were not just protesting taxation alone.

You do know the difference, right?

Face it, your socialist candidate will win regardless of how many facts there are that clearly show us that he has no business anywhere near a government building, so there is no reason to twist things around and make up redundant facts about the people who obviously failed us all by letting this charade happen. Like the first black president said, it's a fairy tale.

We obviously need to get rid of democracy, we sure don't know how to pick our own leaders.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Oct 10, 2008 6:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: radical connection of current candidate...

Last time I checked Obama was running as a Democrat, not a socialist.

but if you need to use exaggerations to strengthen your otherwise completely ineffectual arguments and it makes you feel better, go ahead.

I've also seen you refer to the Democratic party as the "demoKKKratic party"...again, your penchant for absurdity hardly masks your lack of facts to back up your arguments.

Oh, and by the way, the news just broke that Palin has indeed been found to have abused her power in the case of firing a state employee for personal reasons.

Kind of makes me think she doesn't "think much of America" to coin a phrase of her own...if she willingly flaunts the laws she swore to uphold.

But I'm sure your response will be to say something completely off the topic about Clinton or Obama because you know her actions are indefensible.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 10, 2008 7:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: radical connection of current candidate...

Last time I checked Obama was running as a Democrat, not a socialist.

Check again please.
http://www.archive.org/details/extremism

but if you need to use exaggerations to strengthen your otherwise completely ineffectual arguments and it makes you feel better, go ahead.

Ineffectual? I have been keeping track and I am pretty sure I have won about 90% of the arguments by providing proof in the form of statistics and links to reliable sources. Please reread my posts and show me where I went wrong, I am always eager to learn.

I've also seen you refer to the Democratic party as the "demoKKKratic party"...again, your penchant for absurdity hardly masks your lack of facts to back up your arguments.

Sentaor Byrd, George Wallace, The War of Republican Aggresion, it's all online. Are you saying the klan was republican? Again see my video:

http://www.archive.org/details/extremism

There's even pictures and subtitles so you can follow along. I have provided nothing but facts and Wright used the phrase and I was injecting humor, you know that but seem to be ignoring it. People are reading this ya know.

Oh, and by the way, the news just broke that Palin has indeed been found to have abused her power in the case of firing a state employee for personal reasons.

Sorry was too busy uploading a song and the new video, the song isn't done yet and I only have the video on youtube so far:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvEQRyjbVfs

It's still not ready, check it out later. It gives more hard facts and photographic proof of the white supremacist democrats evolving into the socialist chavez loving nation of islam supported party of today. I am not making this up. At least I am not saying obama is a reptile or that their are chinese moonbases.

Kind of makes me think she doesn't "think much of America" to coin a phrase of her own...if she willingly flaunts the laws she swore to uphold.

I'll have to see. Hanging out with terrorists, corrupt slumlords, racist pastors and klansman byrd sends a slightly stronger message of the same, no?

But I'm sure your response will be to say something completely off the topic about Clinton or Obama because you know her actions are indefensible.

Again, haven't seen them but I am sure they are defensible, for a few more months we still have a judicial system with a jury and stuff. I just looked and read this so far "Ethics inquiry concludes Palin was 'proper and lawful' in firing a state commissioner but failed to keep her husband from meddling in trooper's discipline..." should I read the actual report from the panel or the huffington post version. I have to admit, you almost had me with that one! For a second I was worried. I do believe this is about a crooked cop who was abusing his power, no? Weird how you take parts of things to your advantage and throw out the baby with the bath water when convenient. That was a joke, I am not accusing you of infanticide.



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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Oct 10, 2008 8:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: radical connection of current candidate...

Dude...are you serious? You send me a link to some weird propoganda video complete w/techno music in the background and flashing images of Sean Penn talking with Hugo Chavez to "prove" that Obama is running for President of the US as a Socialist? For crying out loud, even Michael Moore hasn't done anything so blatantly infantile & moronic to try and make a link that doesn't exist.

You have not "won 90%" of the arguments on this web site, except in your own mind. And, by the way, if you think calling the entire Democratic Party the KKK because Byrd was once a member 50 years ago (and as if there are no Republicans who ever had ties to racist organizations) is an attempt at "humor"....well, don't quit your day job to go on the stand up circuit would be my only advice.

your paranoid rantings about a socialist takeover of the country should Obama win is just plain sad.

Your denials of the complete and utter failures of the Bush administration over the past 8 years (turning a $700 Billion surplus into a $10 Trillion deficit; invading Iraq based on a lie and sucking the country into a war with no end in sight that's gone on longer than WW2 and drains $10 Billion a month from the US economy; Failure to get Bin Laden after promising to 'smoke him out and take him dead or alive'...Firings of US attorneys based on political affiliation; attempts to suspend the writ of Habeas Corpus even for US citizens; illegal wiretapping of US citizens in violation of the FISA act; green lighting torture and secret renditions; Failure to do anything to prevent the 9/11 attacks despite receiving a report in August labeled "Bin Laden determined to attack in the US"; Failure to enact any meaningful energy policy to break dependence on foreign oil; I really could go on, but i'm sure you've got a video with Philip Glass music that superimposes images of Clinton and Stalin that you'd use to deny it all.

Make sure the black helicopters don't come to take away your arsenal of weapons. I'm sure you'll need them once Obama wins and comes after you w/his hidden Muslim agenda.

Wow.

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Poster: valuecom Date: Oct 11, 2008 4:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: radical connection of current candidate...

There was a $700 Billion BUDGET SURPLUS. Our NATIONAL DEBT was 5.75 TRILLION when he left. When he came into office, Clinton, the NATIONAL DEBT was only 1.8 Trillion, which if you decide to do the math, he increased it 3 fold (300%), without a war. He also allowed several Terrorist attacks with no response.

In contrast, Bush has only increaded it 85% and hasn't allow another terrorist attack and fought two wars. I would say he did a much better job in terms of money.

I love the way the press doesn't clarify this. American's are just a bunch of sheep being led to the slaughter.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Oct 11, 2008 5:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: radical connection of current candidate...

I think Cornell '77 is overrated - what do you think?

Sorry, am the last one who should complain about going off topic....

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 10, 2008 9:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: radical connection of current candidate...

http://www.archive.org/details/bigbangmachinevideo

Here is another one. You must know the true story about who the klan was and what party they were in. Who the original black politicians were and even MLK... republicans, I hate to tell you this but most klan members hated republicans. Democrats did not get black vote till you bought it with new deal. Truth hurts.

As for all the violations and laws broken in the larger paragraph all are opinion. If illegal there would be hearings like clinton and nixon. I am not pretending any party is perfect, hell I think evangelicals and super rich old people are creepy, but I can kick their ass if I have tom fairly easy. Ever fight an 80 year old? Piece of cake.

Again, I am not discounting your opinion and calling you paranoid. See how you did that? I am just saying your opinions are just that, I am showing pictures and shit, I didn't photoshop them. They are multi-sourced and verified like a friggin college paper before I post them.

It is quite clear that sean penn, danny glover and others like a communist dictator named chavez who oppresses freedom and poses a threat to ours, right? Do you agree on that?

Well all the people who don't have a problem with that are voting for obama. Now do you see how that could upset someone who likes america the way it is?

It couldn't be more clear. Liberals like socialism, socialism is communism brought about without violence. It's not a stretch like jews behind 9/11 or explosive charges in tower 7 conspiracy like people like rosie believe, wonder who she is voting for?

Think about it, who is voting for obama? Do you really agree with their views? I am curious.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Oct 11, 2008 6:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: radical connection of current candidate...

"It couldn't be more clear. Liberals like socialism",

Speak for yourself. I consider myself quite liberal and have no interest in socialism. As I've written here before: In Capitalism man exploits man, in Socialism it's exactly the opposite." It's your blanket statements like the one above and then the following "connect the dot" links you make that drive me nuts when I read your posts. You pretend to be "fair and balanced", and then bring it all down when you make sweeping and unfair declarations based on supposition. I am not a socialist. I believe capitalism is the best of a flawed set of choices. I am also liberal.

Do not lecture me on Republicans freeing the slaves. I know that already. Lincoln is the greatest president this country ever had, but if you think Lincoln would want anything to do w/the evangelical base of today's GOP and the clowns like Bush (as you graciously admitted, and I thank you for that) who have hijacked the party, then you're being disingenuous at best. The GOP of today is even reprehensible to the father of modern conservatism, Barry Goldwater, who said before his death that he was appalled at what had happened to the party and philosophy of government he championed.

You can make all the videos you want. I'm sure it's fun and a nice outlet for you. But I despise that type of propaganda for touting a political agenda or perspective whether it's right or left. You throw images at people, intersplice quotes and images taken out of context to create an emotional feel or look and you do a disservice to serious and intelligent debate of the issues. Moore did the very same thing in films like F-9/11, putting cartoon cut outs of Bush and Cheney in cowboy hats and running country western music behind them. If you have to resort to that kind of cheap trickery to make a political point, you're al;ready a step behind being taken seriously.

Now, if you really want to jude Obama as "palling around w/a terrorist" b/c he allowed a guy who planted bombs in protest (wrongly, btw, I advocate no violence) when Obama was 8 years old, to host an event to raise money for his senate campaign more than 20 years later, and after said man had been voted Chicago's citizen of the Year (don't ask me why, I'm not from there), when every political candidate has taken money and support from dubious sources.,..if you REALLY believe that equates Obama w/Hugo Chavez, then there's no point in our having these discussions.

I'm not voting for Sean Penn, or Danny Hlover, or any Hollywood idiot right or left who visits w/idiots. But it won;t stop me from seeing a Sean Penn film either, b/c he's a good actor. See the point? I don't like what Woody Allen did marrying his ex-wide's adopted daughter, but Annie Hall is still a great film and it doesn;'t make me a bad person for watching it?

See the difference? Obama is not my 1st choice for pres. Not even 2nd, 3rd or 4th...but compared to a McCain/Palin ticket...and ON THE ISSUES, he;s a far more qualifiedm intelligent and capable choice. The rest is stuff and nonsense, and I suspect that you know that.





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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 11, 2008 8:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Tricked HTML to work, some words still missing oh well, please read

"It couldn't be more clear. Liberals like socialism",

Speak for yourself.

I am.

I consider myself quite liberal and have no interest in socialism.

Good for you, there is hope.

As I've written here before: In Capitalism man exploits man, in Socialism it's exactly the opposite.

I think redefining captialism and socialism is akin to redefining racism, unecessary and wrong. Go to cuba and stand in line for food. Fly over north korea at night and look out the window. Here are links, again this is not me it's the truth.

See any difference beteen north and south korea?

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Cuban Healthcare, nice...

cuban_hospital_02.jpg

Here was where we were agreeing that both parties are hijacked and bush was a clown but ran against evil clowns, bla bla bla. It was good, wish it didn't disappear into html purgatory. I was stating that I was for guliani and was against extremism on all sides somewhere in here too. Is some kind of script attacking code in here or something?


The link in the first video of obama to chavez was obama poster>obama and in the other video the che flag on the democratic party wall. Also there is the hollywood liberals and cindy sheehan who are voting for obama hugging chavez. The associations again follow the links from one obama voter to another who support and or tolerate communist dictators. It's all in the extremism video.

This post got all fucked up, a whole section is gone but about michael moore. I did not photo shop or draw anything. Just found pictures of people hangin out with bad folks, all the moore links are gone damnit.

Moore with carter

jimmy_carter_michael_moore.jpg


Moore with rangel.

charles-rangel_michael-moore.gif


Mayor of ?

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I'm not voting for Sean Penn, or Danny Hlover, or any Hollywood idiot right or left who visits w/idiots.

Agreed! We are almost matching tempos here... and I am not voting for sarah palin's husband's sister's lunatic ex husband or haliburton, gitmo or anything not diretly related to mccain. The only question I am raising is that if these people are supporting the same person that you are supporting, maybe you should take a look at it, that's all. I don't really care if bible thumpers endorse mccain either but I almost cringe when they do for the same reasons.

But it won;t stop me from seeing a Sean Penn film either, b/c he's a good actor. See the point?

Of course, I think kevin spacey is a good actor and certainly am not boycotting dinero or anyone else democrat, nor am I flocking to arnold movies for the same reason. I never said don't watch them, just be aware that there may be an underlying message in their works and try not to let them persuade you to betray your instincts and experiences.

I don't like what Woody Allen did marrying his ex-wide's adopted daughter, but Annie Hall is still a great film and it doesn;'t make me a bad person for watching it?

Did I ever say you were? Woody allen is a pedophile but besides that I find him annoying beyond belief like a jerky boys character but it has nothing to do with his deviousness. It's still a free country, some people like soap operas and drivel like "friends" there is nothing we can do about taste.

See the difference?

No, we agree for the most part. I never said boycott anything or don't watch anything. All I said was basically what the fuck is wrong with these "idiots"? (as you put it, thanks). I think we have more in common than you realize. I think the more radical candidate is going to win and I am freaking out, that's all.

Obama is not my 1st choice for pres. Not even 2nd, 3rd or 4th...but compared to a McCain/Palin ticket...and ON THE ISSUES, he;s a far more qualifiedm intelligent and capable choice. The rest is stuff and nonsense, and I suspect that you know that.

Ok, so neither of us wanted the douchebags we got stuck with. Sounds like either the primary system is seriously flawed ( I was expecting a hillary/guliani race myself ) or we need to start a new party of moderates. Perhaps arguing is retarded and we should be organizing a valid third party candidate like ross perot or someone not commited to the bullshit special interests both candidates claim to be against but are full of shit.

I actually think hillary is way more qualified and honest than obama and think palin has more energy and potential than mccain, but again I was for guliani from the getgo and so was almost 60% of the country. What the hell happened is beyond me. I am almost thinking this is a conspiracy to let obama fail miserably or something, not quite sure how this happened.

Honestly though, I don't think more liberalism is what we need now, pelosi has enough to offset mccain, who I believe is more qualified by far, he's just old and I knew that would be a problem from the beginning.

Dead head monte used to post ridicules photo shopped pictures accusing bush, cheney and rumsfeld of having no military experience. Uhh, hello? Obama would never even join the military unless he was drafted. We are at war and I thought, gee, maybe it would be good to have someone our enemies would be afraid of and not supporting with campaign contributions. I am not saying obama is the enemy, I am saying that our enemies (foreign and domestic( would prefer taht he be the next president and that should throw up big red flags with hammer and sickle on it- joke.

Sorry for updating so many times...

Apparently you cannot just link a pic by html anymore, you have to have a target url as well as an img src? You don't have to click the pictures but it's pretty funny if you do.


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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 10, 2008 9:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: radical connection of current candidate...

You do know I make music on here and made some videos for them, right? Acting like I am someone new who is posting techno music with michael moore documentary imagry is a bit offsetting.

As much as you may want to believe it, this is not about bush, so please enough about that idiot, I didn't pick him to run either. I surely would not have voted for him if I wasn't forced.

There is nothing conspiracist about the videos, they have actual photographs of democratic klansman, racists from both sides of the spectrum and communists all clearly connected like kevin bacon and his six degrees.

Again, bush is not running. I am not a conspiracist. Republicans freed the slaves, saved the union and fought segregation. Communism sucks. Radical islam sucks. Nazism sucks. They are all extremes that are not healthy for mankind (stop me when I am wrong).

I have provided proof and effective counterpoint for every fact I have stated and accusation I have debunked except for about 10%. Go through the posts if you want, have an independent auditor look at it. Call ghostbusters, whatever you want. I am bipolar but that does not cause delusions or hallucinations so calling me crazy is yet another attack on someone's medical conditions. Now see the humor part here or am I really nuts?

Serisouly, watch the vide, god knows I have to watch all the left wing propaganda all day and night so try to be open minded and realize the liberals are just as fucked or more than moderates and conservatives is all I ask.

Ask any economist about raising investor, corporate and capital gains taxes and how it affects economic growth. I promise I am not making this shit up.

If it means anything 83% of democrats don't think ayers link is relevant. What does that tell you?

How many democrats think the stupid troopergate thing where some bad cop involved in a nasty death threat divorce was tazering a kid and poching a moose is relevant. I guarantee they really think it is important. That should be proof right there that democrats take little things and make them gigiantic when it concerns a republican but ignore majorly fucked up shit as if it was insignificant because it's their guy.

You have to see the double standard there, even independents can tell you that.

I am being totally calm and not attacking you by the way.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Oct 11, 2008 2:41pm
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on NC >>but i'm sure you've got a video with Philip Glass music that superimposes images of Clinton and Stalin that you'd use to deny it all.>>

That's hardly fair to Philip Glass, who I think learned piano from Saul Landau.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 22, 2008 3:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Master pianist

John Dolorean fed maggots to gay camels.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Oct 22, 2008 5:28pm
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timesuck

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Poster: user unknown Date: Oct 10, 2008 6:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: radical connection of current candidate...

there is no issue there...she is grossly under qualified to be VP..and we won't even talk about her lack of presidential credentials...of course there is nothing there to talk about


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=135SdtFzV2U&;feature=related

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 10, 2008 6:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: radical connection of current candidate...

Sure, wouldn't want to discuss someone's presidential credentials.

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Poster: user unknown Date: Oct 10, 2008 6:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: radical connection of current candidate...

At least the candidate you referring to has NATIONAL political experience. That is more that can be said for "Caribou Barbie". And even at the state level, she is being investigated for abuse of power. We really need another power abusive megalomaniac in the White House right now, don't we? Of cousre, she is handier with a gun than Dick Cheney...but wait that would make it much harder to pass it off as an accident when she shoots someone that doesn't agree with her. That could create some real problems for her boss...unless of course McCain is who she shoots....boss problem solved as easy as moose tracks. Reality...what a concept!!!

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 10, 2008 6:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: radical connection of current candidate...

At least the candidate you referring to has NATIONAL political experience.

Chicago community and illinois senator? Yeah that's worldly and national. Why no millions for me in florida and only millions for chicago in earmarks?

That is more that can be said for "Caribou Barbie".

Imagine if we were saying 'ghetto obama' or 'chicago politiican' or other horrendous names. You win this time moohahahaha...

And even at the state level, she is being investigate for abuse of power. We really need another power abusive megalomaniac in the White House right now, don't we?

Key word investigated, funny how I don't see the authorities investigating obama. And no, we need a completlely liberal politician who has made mega bucks from all the companies currently jumping off skyscrapers in NYC. He got more from one of the failing companies than mccain got from all of them. Look it up if you don't believe me.

Of cousre, she is handier with a gun than Dick Cheney...but wait that would make it much harder to pass offf as an accident when she shoots someone hat doesn't agree with her.

Spock would ass rape you for that violation of logic and sheer distraction tactics. Yeah she is going to shoot people, I get your point and agree totally.

That could create some real problems for her boss...unless of coourse John McCAin is who she shoots.

The secret service is on the way. What the fuck are you talking about? I am out there sometimes but this argument is weak by anyone's standards.

Reality...what a concept!!!

Yeah, although it's not a concept, reality is real and you should come back to it when you get a chance. Concepts like communism and socialism are the fantasies that have proven not to work.

I can't find the post but someone was saying trickle down economics didn't work. Funny I thought I read about interest rates and unemployment turning around when taxes were lowered, but in January you can erase all the history books.

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Poster: user unknown Date: Oct 10, 2008 7:09pm
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illinois senator?

I believe that is United States Senator representing Illnois.

Beyond that, my post was almost totally tongue in cheek. As a member of the proletariat, I have little interest in who wins this race. It is a given that whoever it is will continue to break it off in the working class while the rich get richer and the poor get over. That, my friend, is why I referenced Jerry's quote in my second post in this thread that I am now sorry I started.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 10, 2008 7:19pm
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Obama was elected to the Illinois Senate in 1996 he then became U.S. Senator for Illinois after the community was well organized....

The only thing organized about chicago is the crime. Yeah I know horse head in my bed and all that, fuck it.

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Poster: user unknown Date: Oct 10, 2008 7:37pm
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fuck it

indeed

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 10, 2008 7:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: radical connection of current candidate...

Smack it around first. I am growing tired of politics tonight, I wish the dead hadn't taken sides or I would be paying attention to the one I love right now.

We are all losers, it's friday night for christs sake.

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Poster: user unknown Date: Oct 10, 2008 7:57pm
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losers is such an ugly word....

we're just slightly socially challenged

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Oct 10, 2008 7:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: radical connection of current candidate...

It's all in my new song:

http://www.archive.org/details/need_to_reverse